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>> a stretch drive to iowa. the candidates get tougher on each other. plus the president's state of the union chock full of politics. i'm pete williams in for gwen ifill this week on "washington week." it's heating up out there especially between the two republican front-runners. on ted cruz's birth right. >> if you become the nominee, who the hell knows if you can even serve in office? >> and on donald trump's new york values. >> and i guess i can frame it another way. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> while on the democratic side the question is who's tougher on guns? >> it's time to pick a side. either we stand with the gun lobby or we join the president and stand up to them. i'm with him. >> a candidate who was originally thought to be the anointed candidate to be the
inevitable candidate is now locked in a very difficult race here in iowa and in new hampshire. >> from president obama, some introspection as he begins his final year in office. >> it's one of the few regrets of my presidency, that the rancor and suspicion between the parties has gotten worse instead of better. >> the politics in washington and out on the campaigns with analysis tonight, karen tumulty national political correspondent for "the washington post." lisa lerer, national politics reporter for the associated press. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times." and manu raju, senior congressional correspondent for cnn. >> award-winning reporting and analysis, covering history as it happens. live from our nation's capital, this is "washington week" with gwen ifill. corporate funding for "washington week" is provided
visit ncicap.org] pete williams of nbc news, sitting in for gwen ifill this week. >> good evening. the president's state of the union addresses specially his last one would normally be a big deal around this table, but it was upstaged by campaign fireworks. with less than three weeks before people actually start weighing in on who will be the next president, things were much more lively in both parties. before a crowd in south carolina the republican front-runners donald trump and ted cruz sparred last night about cruz's legal qualification to be president. >> here's the problem. we're running. he does great. i win. i choose him as my vice presidental candidate and the democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that. okay? >> back in september, my friend donald said that he had had his lawyers look at this from every which way and there was no issue there. there was nothing to this
birther issue. now, since september, the constitution hasn't changed. >> it continued like that much of the night as the others on that stage tried to assert themselves against the front-runners. >> ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you say that you're against it. i saw you on the senate floor flip your vote on crop insurance because they told it you would help you in iowa. last week we all saw you vote your -- flip your vote on ethanol in iowa for the same reason. that is not consistent conservativism but political calculation. >> we are running for presidency of the united states here. this isn't, you know, a different kind of job. you have to lead. you cannot make rash statements and expect the rest of the world to respond as though, well, it's just politics. >> karen, you were there. as you watched that debate did you see any patterns in all that chaos? >> yes. if i look a little sleep deprived, that's why. yeah. there were two sets of arguments essentially going on on the stage. e was the one between donald
trump and ted cruz. this is really interesting because up until now these two candidates have had sort of a nonaggression pact. ted cruz has not wanted to get in donald trump's cross hairs because he essentially doesn't want to offend donald trump supporters because the assumption being at some point he explodes and ted cruz would be there to catch the support. donald trump was not attacking ted cruz because ted cruz was saying nice things about him and because he didn't see him as much of a threat. well, now the polls are showing that in fact iowa is very close between the two of them. so that was the first drama we had going. the second one was among the candidates who would like to be the establishment alternative to whichever of the cruz-trump antiestablishment forces ultimately emerge from this. so that's where you see kris christie and marco rubio, and
jeb bush all sort of sparring as though i'm the adult, the credible one, i'm the viable one. >> so two debates in one. but from what you saw in iowa while you were there, how did the campaigns differ in style in the state? >> it's really interesting. it's like the three leading contendors have three totally different theories for the case. donald trump is essentially figuring, and very untraditionally for iowa, figuring that, you know, if he has these big rallies people will come to him, almost a field of dreams strategy. it's not the way you'd he normally run a caucus state. that is how ted cruz is doing it, where he is going to every tiny town on the map, speaking to every voter he could. he's got the resources to add the technology component to that as well. and then a third kind of strategy would be marco rubio, who has not really been out and about in the state all that much, but between now and caucus day, one-third of every
single political ad that people in iowa see is going to be an ad on marco rubio. >> so let me just ask a question here. the sharp-eyed people here in washington, we counted 30 mentioned some mate say shots at hillary clinton last night. is that strategy working for the republicans to attack her at the same time they attack each other? >> it has certainly been a popular strategy. that number is pretty standard for all of these republican debates. she is very popular or i guess unpopular figure on the stage. it's a way for republicans to rally their base. they want to show that they're the toughest candidate against this challenger or democratic general election nominee who republicans think will be pretty tough opponent. it's also frankly not something that the clinton campaign is all that upset with. they sort of figure that anyone who is voting in the republican rimary is probably not a gettable vote for hillary clinton. having her attacked so much in the republican debates gives them a way to boost their own
base, to send out fundraising appeals and get their own people excited about a general election by striking that contrast. >> karen, you had mentioned the republican establishment that sort of people that are -- what was interesting last night was the rubio-chris christie battle. it's been bubbling up for weeks and all about new hampshire where both men are competing pretty aggressively. did you sense any, when you were there, what was the mood like in the room? did it feel like chris christie got the better of that exchange between the two of them or did marco rubio come out on top? did they end up in a draw? >> there was a lot of ganging up on marco rubio on that stage. not just chris christie, but jeb bush. he and ted cruz went at it quite a bit as well. so i think just in the sheer kind of force of everyone taking after marco rubio it was pretty intense but, you know, he's a pretty smooth and skilled debater, so i think he, you know, these were all lines
that people had covered him on the campaign trail have heard many, many times. but for a television audience they were essentially seeing marco rubio probably at his best. >> that's why a democratic debate this weekend will be interesting because the dynamic will be exactly the opposite. instead of six people on stage, you'll have three but really just two genuinely competitive against each other. at this point sanders is surging. is that a real threat to hillary? how is she responding? what steps? >> so one thing, the big questions facing sanders is whether he can expand his base. so far he has done extremely well with white voters, particularly younger, white, male voters. that is a good group to have in states like iowa and new hampshire. once you get into the later contests, south carolina, nevada, the march 1 super tuesday states, you need a stronghold in the minority voters to make up a huge swath of democratic party. it is not clear whether his appeal extends into that group. he certainly has been trying very hard. so i would say that hillary clinton is still favored to win
the nomination. historically of course that's how it's always worked in democratic primaries, right? >> but at the last debate, which was the saturday night before christmas, so nobody except those of us who had to be there probably saw it, hillary clinton, you wouldn't have known bernie sanders was on the stage. all she wanted to talk about was donald trump. i had suspected it's not going to be that way this time now that bernie sanders is emerging as a real threat to her in iowa. >> that's been one of the most interesting things about the democratic race in this january, 2016 period, is that hillary clinton has gone from focusing almost exclusively on republicans -- i don't think she ever mentioned bernie sanders by name -- to focusing really intensely on him t's not just her. it's the whole campaign apparatus behind her. look, even chelsea clinton took a dig at bernie sanders this week. which really indicates how concerned they are about that challenge. >> have hillary clinton's attacks on sanders had any effect on his fundraising? >> yes. they're loving it.
>> yes. she is trying to make a pretty tough case against him. the case is basically his proposals are unrealistic and genuous. disen that he is not reely this champion and fighter against income inequality and corporate interests. the guy has been in the senate and house for 25 years on these issues. it's going to be a hard case. >> one other thing that came up in the debate. we heard ted cruz say earlier that donald trump has what he called new york values and that statement came up at the debate last night. and then trump responded. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal pro abortion or pro gay marriage, focus around money and the media. his explanation, he said, look. i'm from new york. that's what we believe in new york. those aren't iowa values but this is what we believe in new york. >> when the world trade center came down, i saw something it
no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. we rebuilt downtown manhattan and everybody in the world watched and everybody in the world loved new york and loved new yorkers and i have to tell you that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> so, karen, did he seem ready for that? >> i would say so. it was, in fact, it put donald trump into some very unfamiliar territory in this campaign. he was on the high ground. >> like a statesman. >> and even hillary clinton then today issued a statement saying, he is absolutely right about new yorkers and their values. >> amazing to watch him. i think he actually improved as a candidate throughout this process. i don't know if you'd agree but it has been remarkable to watch. >> did cruz dispose of the issue-dsht birther issue as he called it or is that something that is going to be out there
haunting him? >> i have yet to run across a voter who really cares about this but the fact is donald trump is not going to drop it. >> i want to ask you back to the clinton-sanders question, if clinton loses iowa she could still win the nomination as you suggested. but how much would that hurt her, the perception that she is the strongest candidate for the party and just come rallying, the democratic base behind her heading into the general election? >> here we go again, right? >> right. her campaign is -- obviously losing iowa or a narrow win in iowa and a loss in new hampshire is not a good outcome but what scares them more than losing the nomination is the freak out that will inevitably come in the party. you have a number of people in the democratic party who don't particularly care for hillary clinton. they're already sort of prime to seek alternatives. they're going to start looking around if there is someone who can jump in late. >> bid. >> vice president biden. >> every day he says i'm not running.
>> talking about the democratic campaign, it was heating up. there was some discussion about taxes. but sanders also launched a new campaign commercial to chide hillary clinton on her connections to wall street. >> a lot of what he's talked about in his campaign would be very expensive. it would probably, by the best estimates, end up costing 18 to $20 trillion over 10 years. that's a lot of money and would raise the federal budget by 40%. so you deserve to know what the differences are. >> there are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. one says it's okay to take millions from big banks and then tell them what to do. my plan? break up the big banks, close the tax loop holes, and make them pay their fair share. >> so, lisa, very quickly hillary clinton said she wanted a campaign not a cornation. is she getting one? >> be careful what you wish for. she is getting a real campaign. certainly in iowa, certainly new hampshire as is sanders.
he has made this pledge not to go negative. a central focus of his candidacy. it's really a central part of his brand. that could get tricky in the days to come particularly as the race gets nastier. >> all right. well, thank you. moving on, thank you both. if you were watching the state of the union message toward the end, it certainly looked to me like the president seemed to linger for one more look at the house chamber after his fal state of the union address this week. usually it's a long to-do list, but this one seemed by the way the smallest audience for one of these speeches in 20 years, had a distinctly different tone. >> let me start with the economy and a basic fact. the united states of america, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. anyone claiming that america's economy is in decline is peddling fix. >> he reviewed the accomplishments of his seven years in office but he also criticized a certain republican
front-runner. >> when politicians insult muslims, whether abroad or our when a mosque is vandalized or a kid is called names, that doesn't make us safer. that's not telling it like it is. it's just wrong. >> south carolina governor nikki haley who delivered the republican response echoed some of those same sentiments. >> during anxious times, it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. we must resist that temptation. no one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country. >> beyond that, she didn't agree much with president obama, but, peter, was this
actually the president's first 2016 campaign speech? >> well, in a way that's right. there are two different campaigns he was waging here that night. one is for history. right? he's trying to set out his case for why his presidency was a success. the economy is much better. we're making some progress he says on foreign affairs. health care obviously expanded across the board. and a campaign speech in effect not just for hillary clinton but for himself in this campaign because he is the target of so many of these attacks. two days later you heard hillary clinton's name a lot on stage but you heard obama's name on stage a lot, too. he was engaging in effect before the debate even got started by saying what you're going to hear is a lot of gloom and doom from these guys talking down america. i'm here to tell you america's great and don't let them tell you otherwise. he was trying to engage on this concept and the concept is important because what will americans believe? do they believe the country is on the right track or not? polls show they don't. two to one americans believe we're on the right track -- >> the wrong track you mean.
>>sorey. believe we're on the wrong track and it has been 12 years since more americans believed we were on the right track. that is a pretty sustained period of pessimism on the part of americans. he is now trying to talk them out of it. >> i guess it depends what numbers you look at. if you compare his rather rosie scene with the republicans' sort of gloomy scene, who's right? >> each side has numbers to point to. the president has probably an easier case on the domestic side in the sense that the economy is doing better. 2.3 million jobs created last year. unemployment down to 5%, and so on. on foreign affairs it is a little tougher because the world seems to be blowing up all over the place and he is trying to point to a lot of agreements. they're wondering what's happening with isis, ukraine, places like that. >> i was struck in the first lady's box there was an empty seat for victims of gun violence but also a number of people there meant to remind you of the high points of the obama presidency. did he lay the predicate for
governing for the rest of his term? was this in fact about the legacy? >> there really isn't very much he can do in congress. he'd like criminal justice there is an opportunity there for republicans to come together with him on this. obviously would like his trade deal he negotiated in asia. what he really understands is that for his presidency to be successful, it would be most helpful to have a democrat follow him. because then it will remove the threat to repealing health care for instance. so i think he is thinking very long term in that regard. >> what about that? other than criminal justice reform, is there anything the president can get out of this congress in the coming year? >> i doubt it. i mean, the trade agenda peter was just referring to is supported by republicans largely and broadly. remember last year they passed the fast track trade agreement called trade promotion authority that would actually lead to the passage of this massive trade deal or trans pacific partnership.
the problem is we didn't see the details of the trans pacific partnership until late last year. actually until the beginning of this year. and now a lot of republicans are getting a little squeamish about the details. mitch mcconnell the senate majority leader who supported, was a big trade supporter, said it is probably not a good idea to do the trans pacific partnership this year, and paul ryan who is a huge trade supporter, the house speaker, also is not -- haven't lent his support behind this deal. this could probably be hanging out until the next administration. they could take it up, and the next president, but who knows? the next president if it is hillary clinton she came out against the deal even though she supported it as secretary of state. so that is a long way of saying that there is very little that will get done this congress other than possibly criminal justice reform but mostly both parties will be making their case why they should stay in power. >> on the campaign argument side of things, was that effective? was anyone listening to the speech? do you think that he laid out the case for the democrats in
an effective way that will benefit them? >> i talked to a lot of democrats as they were leaving the chamber and they were saying where was this guy in the last several years? they like that kind of speech that really was an optimistic speech. they felt they were missing that in the 2014 mid terms, they felt that argument could have been made a little bit more aggressively. so certainly i think that they -- that could help. but as we know, very quickly the focus shifted back to the campaign trail. how much the president will have a bully pulpit for the rest of this year. probably not nearly as much as he has in the past. >> what else did the president want out of this congress or does he realize that really beyond that one thing we talked about there really isn't much? >> well, look. he's got a budget deal in place. he doesn't have to worry about that. that is a big deal. we won't have that kind of fight over a possible shutdown we've had in the past. what he really wants is for them to stay out of the way i think. he's going to be on a plane a lot. you'll see him get out of the country five or six times this coming year.
he'll be a foreign policy president. he has to try to make the argument his foreign policy has made a difference. we're talking about the iran nuclear deal which we'll see this very weekend possibly come into force. the cuba opening. the climate pact. and so on. and the trade deal is his other one. so he wants to try to, you know, use airforce one basically as his launching pad. >> so much of it is the white house wants to implement the rest of its agenda. aggressively try to get a lot of the executive actions they have launched done and the house republicans in particular want to show case what they would do if they had both houses of congress as well as the white house with paul ryan pushing the lay out of a bunch of detailed proposals including what they would actually do on health care. they've not had a plan to replace obama care. presumably they'll come out with that. that will never pass, never get signed into law by the president. probably won't pass the senate but they want to make the argument heading nah november. >> so if the question was about what president obama expects to
get out of this year, what does paul ryan expect? >> i think that's it. it's all about making the case to voters on what we would do if we got the majority. it's all a political argument. i was up in baltimore this past week where house and senate republicans were meeting and discussing the way forward for this year. and they all know there's very little they can do legislatively but they want to lay out a specific agenda on what they would do if they were 2017. n power in why that's different is because in the past most of these guys go home and they campaign. they don't do much legislatively. they don't want to get into the details of things that could get them into a tough position. paul ryan wants to actually lay out, say we're doing welfare reform, what we'll do on tax reform, what we'll do on health care reform and run with that. the difference is senate republicans don't necessarily want to do that because 24 of them are up for re-election this year particularly in tough states and they don't want to get into the health care reform. >> the truth is who is actually
speaking for the party? paul ryan or donald trump and ted ruzz? >> that is where the struggle is. whose the face of the party? paul ryan wants it to be him presenting a more rosie view of america. >> very quickly, the president seemed relaxed after the speech. will we see that same relaxed style the rest of the year? >> a little bit. relaxed on the road a couple days after the speech and kind of joking around. somebody asked him you should run for a third term. he said, i can't because of the constitution but i really can't because michelle would kill me. i mean, he was in a pretty relaxed -- he is not on the ballot. right? it must be a lot easier. >> thank you all very much. that'll have to do it for tonight. if you didn't get enough we'll have more on the "washington week" webcast extra where we'll look at the other republican candidates who didn't make it to the big guys' table and what their staying power might be. that's later tonight at pbs.org/washington week. i'm pete williams. gwen will be back here next week on "washington week." ood night.
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